Driving rain and wooden facade panels
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:12 pm -1100
Hello!
I've been modeling a outer wall's inside corner in a passive house. The house has wooden frame. Model enclosed.
In the first model I made I removed the wooden facade paneling so I could ignore rain, which always seems to mess up the calculations. The inner thermal insulation (aluminum coated PU) was simulated as 3 separate layers: Pu in the middle and vapor retarder layers (Sd 100 m) on each side.
The calculations worked out fine and the results seemed to be normal.
I tried additional calculations with the wooden facade boards included. This meant that I had to include driving rain and radiation. I also added an air exchange factor of 5 (perhaps too little?) to the ventilation air layer behind the facade boards. I used a thin weather resistive barrier (Sd 0,5 m) to simulate the paint so that the rain doesn't immediately saturate the model.
Now it seems that the construction is absorbing more and more moisture by the year. I only calculated for 2 years, so the trend might reverse... I understand that the outermost wooden parts are going to absorb a some moisture from the initial 0.7 RH, but my results seem far too high. Normal wooden walls aren't wet all year round, especially the inner wooden pillars.
I think the driving rain and modeled thin weather resistive barrier don't work together well. I remember reading, that one method of simulating outer envelope structures is actually turning driving rain absorption to 0 and simulate the waterproof coating by using a vapor diffusion resistance factor (Sd) for the surface. I added the driving rain, however, just to see it's effect and to compare different cardinal directions (south gets more rain and radiation than north in Finland). Otherwise the the only difference between north and south would be the radiation and I could immediately say, that since south gets more radiation, it's going to be warmer and drier than north. When rain is included, it's not easy to say which direction is drier. Have I overlooked something with simulating driving rain (0,7 absorption) with the 1 mm weather resistive barrier?
Also I'm not sure about the modeling of the aluminum coated PU thermal insulation. I did it using 3 different layers (vapor retarder-PU-vapor retarder). Now there seems to be elevated moisture INSIDE the PU-layer right next to the aluminum layer. Is this reasonable? I'd say it's pretty counter intuitive to have elevated moisture inside the insulation board. Does this happen in reality. Would a better way be to simulate the insulation board as a single layer that has the effective vapor resistance factor as the former model?
I also got an error message after the calculation saying "out of memory". Saving amoung other options was greyed out, but I could have a look at the results. After I manually terminated the calculation (despite the iteration section stating "calculation finished") I could save the results. Afterwards I've been having a lot of slowness and some crashes on my computer. Weird. Cache directory seems to be a temp folder in the computers main C-disk with nearly 300 GB of free space.
I'm grateful for any feedback.
-Sami Roikonen
EDIT: I enclosed the project data, sans result files.
I've been modeling a outer wall's inside corner in a passive house. The house has wooden frame. Model enclosed.
In the first model I made I removed the wooden facade paneling so I could ignore rain, which always seems to mess up the calculations. The inner thermal insulation (aluminum coated PU) was simulated as 3 separate layers: Pu in the middle and vapor retarder layers (Sd 100 m) on each side.
The calculations worked out fine and the results seemed to be normal.
I tried additional calculations with the wooden facade boards included. This meant that I had to include driving rain and radiation. I also added an air exchange factor of 5 (perhaps too little?) to the ventilation air layer behind the facade boards. I used a thin weather resistive barrier (Sd 0,5 m) to simulate the paint so that the rain doesn't immediately saturate the model.
Now it seems that the construction is absorbing more and more moisture by the year. I only calculated for 2 years, so the trend might reverse... I understand that the outermost wooden parts are going to absorb a some moisture from the initial 0.7 RH, but my results seem far too high. Normal wooden walls aren't wet all year round, especially the inner wooden pillars.
I think the driving rain and modeled thin weather resistive barrier don't work together well. I remember reading, that one method of simulating outer envelope structures is actually turning driving rain absorption to 0 and simulate the waterproof coating by using a vapor diffusion resistance factor (Sd) for the surface. I added the driving rain, however, just to see it's effect and to compare different cardinal directions (south gets more rain and radiation than north in Finland). Otherwise the the only difference between north and south would be the radiation and I could immediately say, that since south gets more radiation, it's going to be warmer and drier than north. When rain is included, it's not easy to say which direction is drier. Have I overlooked something with simulating driving rain (0,7 absorption) with the 1 mm weather resistive barrier?
Also I'm not sure about the modeling of the aluminum coated PU thermal insulation. I did it using 3 different layers (vapor retarder-PU-vapor retarder). Now there seems to be elevated moisture INSIDE the PU-layer right next to the aluminum layer. Is this reasonable? I'd say it's pretty counter intuitive to have elevated moisture inside the insulation board. Does this happen in reality. Would a better way be to simulate the insulation board as a single layer that has the effective vapor resistance factor as the former model?
I also got an error message after the calculation saying "out of memory". Saving amoung other options was greyed out, but I could have a look at the results. After I manually terminated the calculation (despite the iteration section stating "calculation finished") I could save the results. Afterwards I've been having a lot of slowness and some crashes on my computer. Weird. Cache directory seems to be a temp folder in the computers main C-disk with nearly 300 GB of free space.
I'm grateful for any feedback.
-Sami Roikonen
EDIT: I enclosed the project data, sans result files.